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In order to have a valuable and thoughtful optimized search engine strategy, you have to connect the dots between the content and the technical aspects of your website. In today’s episode, Samantha Mabe joins us to share what that looks like from her perspective as a web designer where she has an intentional focus on on-page SEO.
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Samantha Mabe, creative director and designer of Lemon and the Sea, helps service providers and coaches who are ready to launch their signature offer and need a website that matches the high-caliber work they’re doing. With her signature framework, Samantha has designed and customized websites for all different types of entrepreneurs. When she is not digging into design and strategy, Samantha loves true crime podcasts, adventures with her toddler, and trying to keep up with her Netflix queue.
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[:23] Meet Samantha
[2:26] SEO Client Example
[4:57] Timeline for Results
[6:11] Doing Keyword Research
[8:09] Google Search Console
[13:36:] On-Page SEO
[18:21] How to Not Use AI for SEO
[23:22] Technical Aspects for Your SEO
[26:59] Your First Step to SEO
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Colie: Hello, hello, and welcome back to the Business First Creatives podcast. Today I am interviewing my third returning guest. This is Samantha Mabe. She is an awesome Squarespace website designer, but today we’re gonna talk about seo y’all. Good morning, Samantha, and welcome back to the
Samantha: Thanks, Colie. I’m excited to be back.
Colie: I’m excited to be here. You know you’re still in my top five downloaded
Samantha: Really that’s.
Samantha: Websites are important.
Colie: Websites are important. I feel like websites are like the shit nobody wants to talk about, but everybody knows how important they are for their business except for the photographers who are still stuck on their Instagram accounts.
I will admit this, I did a talk recently and I started my talk with, I know you think you don’t need a website because your Instagram is bringing you clients, but that’s bullshit. Like that’s the first thing that I said. You know, I don’t mi my words.
Samantha: That is the way to start. Cuz I have, I’ve even had people who aren’t photographers who just market on Instagram and I’m like that no, you’ve gotta send somebody people somewhere they can actually learn about what you do.
Colie: But no, Samantha, I get a lot of word of mouth, yes, but you still have to send them somewhere to contact you, somewhere
to get information on your services. All right, Samantha, when I had you on the podcast last time, guys, we talked all about websites. Why you need a website cuz Samantha’s just as passionate as me when it comes to everybody needing one.
I am gonna link that episode in the show notes. So I want you to listen to the rest of this episode with the premise of, you know, you need a website, you’re either in the process of creating one or you have one. And so once you’re live with your website, like what are the things that you have to do in order to get found?
And that’s what I’m gonna be discussing with Samantha today. So Samantha like, Because I know that this has been like a change for you. Why are you thinking more about SEO as a website designer than you did previously?
Samantha: I actually ended up helping one of my clients with her SEO because she had no SEO strategy. She started her business when I created her website, and she does, like user experience classes. And it is hard to show up for that because there’s a lot of like those big like online course platforms that teach the same thing.
So we had to do a lot of SEO in her website copy, in her descriptions, in her product descriptions. Like we had to really dive into what we wanted to talk about and how we could best. Put that on her website so that she could start to rank for it and then figure out how to track it. And it’s made a huge difference in her business.
Like she gets probably 40 plus percent of her traffic from Google, and a lot of those convert into actual paying clients, either for her low ticket offers or her big kind of one-on. One to many course that she’s doing. So it’s leading to a lot of income for people and it’s something most businesses are missing out on because we think if we just like put our website out there, it’s gonna start showing up and people are gonna find us and that is not gonna happen.
Colie: I mean, I don’t even know if that’s considered hopeful marketing. You know, you and I have had that conversation. I was on the v I P variety day with Jordan Gill and I had a little chat with her about what we’ve deemed to be that hopeful marketing. Like you just put your shit out there and hope people are gonna contact you and buy it.
Guys, your website is the first step. But it is still not going to bring the traffic if you don’t nurture it. It’s kind of like going on a date. I mean, you can’t just show up at a date and stare at each other. You have to have a conversation. You probably have to buy a few drinks. I mean, that is what SEO O will do for your website.
So it’s so interesting that, you know, you weren’t really thinking about it until this one person came to you, like brand spanking new, having no, you know, presence on the internet. So for the people out there that don’t know, How long did it take her to start actually showing up and to actually get some return on investment for seo?
Because it is certainly a long game and every time I have the opportunity to ask somebody to kind of hammer in, Hey, you’re not gonna do this, and then in two weeks be like, yo, these inquiries are just coming from everywhere now. Yeah, that
doesn’t happen. So how long
Samantha: I think it was nine months, probably before we started seeing really good traffic for the keywords she wanted to rank for that were actually gonna convert into people on her email list and then into students. Yeah, nine months and it’s still growing. So it’s been like two years since we’ve done it and it’s made a big difference.
But it takes a lot of time, especially if you’re trying to rank first stuff that are, those like kind of broad keywords, it you are not gonna show up unless you do a lot of work and you give it a lot of time.
Colie: Okay. I wish I had like a counter so I could count how many times you said keywords. So let’s get into keyword search. Of course when everybody’s doing their their seo, you can’t start to think about how to rank for your SEO until you know what it is that you want to rank for. And I feel like in that respect, us photographers have a little bit more of an advantage because we’re usually trying to rank for local keyword
search. So like bold newborn photographer. I mean, any variation of that is what people are gonna be searching. But for everyone else, Keyword search is important. Is that something that you do?
Samantha: I help my clients with it a little bit, so I, I know enough about their business to kind of say, are you local? Do you want local clients? So we need to put in areas that are around you. What types of clients are you trying to bring in? And then like, what is your kind of, what does your business do? And then help them look for what are people actually going to search for?
Not what does your industry jargon say that you do?
Colie: That’s a good point. So you don’t actually do the keyword research. I mean you help them, but like who, who out there will do keyword research for you? Like does that kind of person exist? Like, Hey, if I Google, do my keyword search for me? What kinds of people should pop up?
Samantha: There are lots of SEO specialists so you can find people that. Usually they work online, but they might focus on a specific type of business. And basically what they do is they evaluate your current website and then they’ll give you suggestions for what you should do as far as updating the copy. And a lot of them will also help you kind of plan out content for a blog or a podcast that you’re gonna be publishing regularly.
The other thing you can do is there are a couple of like chrome plugins that you can use keywords anywhere, and there’s a few other ones that will show you. When you Google something, it’ll show you like how popular a keyword is and what’s related. So those are really helpful if you don’t have the money to invest in hiring somebody to do your whole strategy for you.
Colie: Let’s talk about Google because I mean, I hope everyone has listened to our first conversation linked in the show notes, guys, but if you haven’t, for the people who have never had a website before, of course they all need to Google my business, right? What else does Google offer that can help us improve our s e o?
Samantha: Okay, so what you need to do is you need to go to Google Search Console and set up your website. I think you have to have an analytics account first, cuz they connect. But put it on Google Search Console. You’re gonna submit your site map, which most website platforms generate automatically, so you don’t even have to do anything.
And then it will track for you. It will actually show you if you have any errors on your website that’s making Google rank you lower. And then you can see over time which keywords people are like searching for, that your website shows up for, and how many people are clicking on it. So one of my most popular ones right now is brand Value words, and I’m like that. It was a blog post I wrote years ago that has gotten some traction and that’s the, the only reason I know that it’s popular is because Google Search Console tells me that like, people are actually coming to my website for that.
Colie: So this brings up a really interesting topic, Samantha, because brand value words is not really related to the
service that you
offer. So what, what could you do to that post? Because it’s already ranking. I mean, and guys don’t go out and change everything because there’s a reason that it’s a ranking.
But is there anything that you can do if you figure out that like, A post is getting a lot of traffic. Or like in the case of a photographer, like I had one that was ranking really high for Longmont maternity photographer, but girl, those photos were so old. I was like, I don’t want anyone finding this blog post.
So what should people do if they have a blog post that’s ranking really high, but it doesn’t have the kind of content that’s going to lead to people joining their audience or eventually buying their service or
Samantha: so in my case, what I will do is go into my post and I will add like a couple paragraphs about how this applies to websites. I’ll add a link to my opt-in to get people to sign up, and I’ll put it not for the, like the very introduction, but after the introduction before it gets to the list of keywords so that people have to look at it before they get to like the content that they really want.
If you have a post you don’t want people seeing anymore, like the pictures are really old, then you can turn it off. But I really recommend like just redirect it to other people. Put some related posts down at the bottom so that they can see your more recent work and. Be directed towards those things so that they have more of a chance of working with you.
So they land for one thing, they see the pictures and they’re like, okay, I’m interested in learning more. Be really strategic about what posts you then link them to so that they can see your good, good work it. Unless it’s like way out there and you don’t want anybody to know about it, don’t turn it off cuz it’s still bringing people to your website.
You’ve just gotta take the time to make it work for your business Now.
Colie: Yeah. What I did was pulled all those images off, found five in that session that I still found acceptable. Re-edited them in my current style and then plop them back up. The other thing is, sorry Kate, if you’re ever listening to this, this podcast interview, it was actually my best friend Kate’s session. I mean, so it wasn’t bad photos, it was just back then. I edited
very differently plus, I took her photos at a lake. Anyone who knows me now knows I don’t do outside. And so people finding outside photos is just not really good for me. So I put back up my five favorites, but then I went to more recent sessions that I had done for her, and I added images of those after saying something like, Hey, I mean, you know you want a maternity session, but have you thought about all the
other sessions that I could give you?
Here’s some newborns. Here’s six months. I mean, I did that kind of stuff. So photographers, if you’re listening, Don’t pull that blog post down, just re-edit the images. Or if you know, cuz we all know, as we do it more, our work gets better. If you originally showed like 20 images, which no one should be showing 20 images in a blog post anymore, just fyi.
But if you were just narrow it down and put a few of your favorites
Samantha: Yeah, and that’s the thing with like photographer blog posts, you don’t have to show a ton of images. It an SEO is gonna be more related to the copy. And I think that’s what people wanna see is like, what was the experience like for your client? Where were you? What were you doing? Why was this a special session?
When I look at stuff, I’m like, okay, the pictures are good, but everybody’s pictures are good. I wanna know more about the photographer and like why I should hire them specifically when I know I could get good images from five other people.
Colie: Mm-hmm. You do absolutely need more than the photos. Okay. So Samantha, we’ve talked about keyword search. So as a website designer though, like what is your role in the seo? Because you know, most website designers are not also writing the copy. But so like when someone comes to you, let’s say, and they don’t have a website, you are starting from scratch and so they bring
the copy that they’ve gotten from someone else.
Maybe they have sourced some images for their website or maybe you’re doing that as well, but like what is your role in the e o of a brand new web? Save.
Samantha: I do the on page copy or the on page seo. So the stuff that’s actually in what people see. So part of that is you have to lay out your page in a way that makes sense for search engines. So search engines, when they read a page, they start with, you’re heading one, your H one tag, and then they go to your H two, H three, they kind of like skim down, and then they go back and look at your actual paragraphs.
So I am laying that out really strategically to say we’ve only got one H one on the page, and then we’re using H two. It’s gonna have keywords. H three is gonna kind of break stuff up to make it skimmable for search engines to find those words, but also for people when they’re like scrolling down your super long sales page to find the section that they’re actually interested in and get their questions answered.
So, I mean, And good SEO practices are good. Just user experience, client experience practices too. So you’re really doing it for both purposes. The other thing that I have to tell more clients than I would think. Is that we cannot keyword stuff your website, we cannot write a list of keywords and make the text color white.
We cannot just make the title of your page. Photographer photography, newborn photography, like Google is smarter than that. They know you’re trying to trick them and they do not like it.
Colie: Mm-hmm. I mean, when you just said about making the text white, I do remember, I remember like, you know, a decade ago when I started my business, that was what a lot of people were
recommending that, you know, in the. Footer of your website that you basically list every keyword known to man that would bring your site up for, you know this, and they would tell you, oh, make it white so that it doesn’t look like you’re doing it.
Yeah, but Google
still sees it. Even if someone with eyes doesn’t see the difference in the text. Google
knows Google will punish you. Google will put you in a
Samantha: yes. it’s part of that. Whole, if you build it, they will come. You got to do the strategy. It’s when we first started our businesses and we were blogging, there were not that many blogs out there, so it was not that hard to show up for stuff. And now there’s so many options that you’ve really got to do it strategically.
But you’ve got to understand that search engines are smart and they don’t want to be tricked. You cannot go. You can’t go through and just copy and paste the same content over and over again because it’s a popular post. Like they know that you’re trying to just, you’re, they want unique content that’s valuable for people.
You cannot try to trick them. With keyword stuffing or using the same post over and over again or replicating the post, you did it as a guest somewhere on your website. Like they, it knows all of those things and it, it just, it does not help you.
Colie: Ah, I mean, I would never actually think to tell someone not to do that. But guys don’t do that because. If you guest posted, like if you wrote a guest blog post on someone else’s website, you got the back link to your website. Hopefully, I mean, no one should be doing that without getting a back link. But in that back link, Google now attaches you to that content by default, but then when you try to copy and paste it onto your own website, Google’s gonna end up punishing both of you for having duplicate content on two different websites.
For the love of God, please don’t
Colie: I mean, Samantha, I would’ve never, I would’ve never thought that I had to say that out loud. And the funny thing is, I mean, I know I have written, you know, and done some like really amazing things for other people. I mean, it’s the same thing with my podcast, though.
Like, I was on your podcast and it was great, but I wouldn’t go and take what I did on your podcast and just regurgitate it on my podcast. That doesn’t help either one of us. I mean, you wanna create as much unique and interesting content as you can. And listen guys, if you can’t think of other things to say, there are people you can hire to help you, but don’t just redo the same thing over and over again because Google only needs to see it one time for it to work for
you. Like every other time that you try to like replicate it, you are actually doing a disservice to you. Your website, your service, like
all of it.
Samantha: Yeah. The other thing I think we’re going to start seeing as AI evolves is people trying to get away with ChatGPT wrote this blog post and now I’m just copying it and pasting it on my website. Well ChatGPT might fill it with keywords, but a, it’s not gonna be very valuable cause it is so surface level.
I tried to have it write a blog post just to see what it would spit out and I was like, This is the most surface level redundant copy I have ever read. And Google I think is going to get smart enough to realize when an AI wrote something as opposed to a real person wrote it, just just like people know that they are gonna start recognizing it.
Because when someone comes to your website, they don’t want what a robot wrote. They want you and your personality.
Colie: And guys, I don’t know if you think you’re tricking anyone and I consider myself to be a pretty smart person, but like when I’m reading copy, I’m like, That person didn’t write that. Like, and of course up until now, I wouldn’t have said ai, but like now what comes to mind? The first time that I read something and it does not sound like what they say and how they talk, I’m like, oh, they didn’t write that they used ai.
Now does that mean it’s AI every time? Nope. You could just be a really piss
poor writer guys. I, I, I admit that, but in general, I feel like as people start to use AI and chat G P T and all of the other tools a little bit more, The average consumer is going to be hip to the game. They are gonna read something and be like, uh, that sounds weird.
That sounds like a robot wrote it. I mean, like, what are they really trying to say? Now, I will say I am obsessed right now with ChatGPT prompts Samantha, I mean, I don’t know. I think it’s really fascinating to like give it a prompt and see what it writes and then see how many more prompts I
can get it so that I get something that isn’t half bad.
But then I would still never copy and paste that onto my website. I use it as, like for an example this week I spoke at a birth symposium. One of the things was, you know that you have a professional there so that you can live in the moment. Well, that was a nice little phrase. Let me write my own content about how I’m there so that neither one of you has to try to take a photo of the moment.
You can just be there. You can trust that me as the professional at the end of the day, will give you photos and videos that will last a lifetime. I’m, but like chat, G p t didn’t say that, but it did give me the idea to write something related to living in the moment, and I think that’s how all of us should think about AI
Samantha: Yeah, I just used it. I was updating the page descriptions on my site because I’ve niched my audience a bit, so I was trying to just update. My keywords and I told it. I was like, okay, I want you to write a page description for this page. Use these keywords. I saw what it spit out, and then I went in and I edit it and made sure it actually made sense instead of sounding like I was a team of 25 people who do website development and these huge projects.
But it was a starting point where I could say, okay. Now I don’t have to come up with this from scratch and to like use all that brain power. I just have to make sure this actually makes sense for my
Colie: Mm-hmm. And guys, ChatGPT lies. Can I just, can I say that, Samantha? So I fed it a link to my sales page. And I told it to write me, I think three sales emails. And if you’re on my newsletter list and you’re listening to this, you got one of them. Because I told you I asked ChatGPT to write this email for you because I wanted you
guys to see what it would spit out.
But the most interesting thing to me was no matter how many times I told it to use, one of the testimonials on my sales page, Samantha, it just flat out made up testimonials. Some name that I’ve never heard of. And the funny thing was, I will admit, one of the testimonials that it made up was so on point.
I was like, wait, is that a testimonial on my website? And I don’t know it. Like I went back through my website because it was a really good testimonial. But none of my clients had said those exact words in that exact order, and no matter how many times I told it, use the testimonial from Posey, use the testimonial from Sabrina.
It was just changing the name.
Colie: I was like, I don’t understand. I gave it to you. I gave it to you and you’re still not using it. So you know, guys, again, it’s a tool. It is not an end
result. You still need humans to do stuff for you at this point. You need people like Samantha to make your website. You need copywriters to write the copy.
I mean, you know, we’re not in an age yet where you can tell any ai, make me a website. This is what I do. Here’s some photos. Give me an end result. We’re not there yet. I mean, I’ve seen some attempts. We’re not there yet.
Samantha: Well, and the other thing that AI is not gonna be able to do is I have seen some of, like the, the attempts at art and stuff, it is not going to be able to do the user experience piece. That Google has really been looking at too, is they rank you not just on your keywords, but do people actually like your site?
Does it load quickly? Do you have a super high bounce rate, which we talked about in the last episode? Like Google is looking at all of that stuff and all of that is part of how you rank. It’s not just the specific words. Or like the other thing, and I, I can’t believe some people still don’t have like the secured site, the http s, but if you don’t have it, it doesn’t matter how good your SEO strategy is, you will not show up.
Google will not show you. Chrome will not let people go to your website. It
Colie: It shames you, it puts the little thing at the top. Like this website is
not secure. Only click if you Yeah, I, I mean, it did it to my website. Like at one point when I was doing something on show it my, my certificate had like failed or something. And when it did it, I was like, oh, wait, did I mistype my website?
Like, am I trying to get scammed? Right? Like, I mean, it’s very jolting the way that they tell people, do not access this
Samantha: Yeah. So you have to look at all of that, and then the keywords come into play. But if you don’t have a decent website to begin with it, it doesn’t help. Your ranking and it doesn’t help people actually convert either once they get there.
Colie: I mean, cuz at the end of the day, I, I care about user experience, don’t get me wrong, but I care about conversions like how many people are landing on my website. And then are just bouncing. I mean, that is why Samantha and I harped on the bounce rate so hard in the last episode. And I will say, Samantha, I have an entirely new perspective now because I have been running ads,
unfortunately, one of the ways that I can tell if my ad is effective, it doesn’t matter that my click through rate from Facebook is really good if I look at the specific pages that I’m sending them to.
And I can tell because I’m using, you know, specific links so that I know that they’re coming from the ads. If those people are spending no time on my website and the bounce rate from them is absolutely a hundred percent, 95%, okay, my ad is not doing its job. No matter how good the clicks are. That means that my website is not converting them into at least hanging out for like a minute and seeing what else is on my website.
So guys, I mean, bounce rate is important for a lot of reasons, number one, because it is something that Google looks for to see if your website is high quality. But number two, if you ever dive into the area of ads, You wanna make sure that those people are not just clicking and you’re paying for the clicks, and then they’re not actually doing anything on your website besides landing and then
Samantha: Yeah, it doesn’t matter how many people land on your website if they don’t do anything with it.
Colie: Yeah. All right, Samantha. So if we had someone who’s like, okay, I’m not new. I have a website. I do have a Google my business. I’ve even set up like my analytics and my Google search console, but I’m still not getting the traffic on my website that I need to get. And so these people are like, oh, maybe it’s that s e o thing that Coley and Samantha were talking about.
What is like your top tip for what someone should do as like the quickest win that they can get as they start to work on their SEO as a long-term project?
Samantha: I think the first thing to do is to open up an incognito window and go Google your business name first and see if your website actually shows up and get a preview of like what it’s saying. Because sometimes we forget that like the page description actually shows up there and maybe it’s out of date or maybe you never updated it at all.
So you wanna just double check that and then Google some of the keywords you’re trying to rank for and see where you’re even showing up and who else is is in there, and see what your competition is. And then you have the ability to kind of narrow in if you need to focus on more specific keywords. Or you know, I am never gonna rank for website design overall.
Like that’s just impossible. I’m never gonna rank for photographer. So you want to then go back to your website and every time you’re like trying to use the keyword photographer, add in something like your location or the type of photography that you do, and. It’s going to give you a good starting point for like, okay, where, what is actually working and what can I then work on on my website to make some of those small changes?
And then you just have to give it time. You just have to give it time to work,
Colie: And I will say, we’ve mentioned Google Search Console, and I just wanna make sure that everyone knows when you sign up for your account for Google Search Console, it’s not gonna tell you where you rank for the keywords that you want
to rank for. It’s gonna tell you what people are actually searching for and seeing your website, which is the impression.
And then seeing if they actually click and which page they actually click on from that
keyword search. So I just, I wanna make sure that, you know, it is twofold. Like Google Search Console is gonna tell you what people are doing now, but if you’re trying to figure out the keywords, That you want. And then who else is ranking for those, those keywords?
How many people are actually searching for those keywords? Every month you’re gonna wanna use a separate keyword search tool. And I mean, Google’s got one for its ad account. You don’t have to actually use the ads, but that is where you can go to kind of type in the words that you think you wanna rank for and see what the volume of search for that is every month.
Cuz guys, it does you no good. To pick a keyword and to, you know, get all your SEO good and true. I mean, you are on page one for that keyword word, but ain’t nobody searching for it. That does not do you
Colie: So again, SEO is multifaceted, guys. I mean, it has so many moving parts and there’s o I mean, I honestly think there’s only so much that you can DIY.
However, if D IY is your thing, if D I Y is your budget, there are a lot of things that you can do to get yourself started because everything that you do is going to help you get better. Except for keyword
stuffing, do not keyword stuff.
Samantha: Well, the other thing, so there’s a tool that I used when we were working on my client site. It’s like, It’s Mangles or something. They have like this keyword ranking tool, so I made a list of the keywords we wanted and it will track over time, which page and which spot she’s ranking in. It’s a paid tool and it’s not like an insignificant investment, but if you’re really trying to work on it, find something like that where you can say, these are the keywords I actually wanna show up for, and you can see how you are doing.
And it’ll tell you like, this is a really hard one to rank for. You should probably try something else.
Colie: Yeah, I figured Samantha was gonna talk longer cuz if you guys are watching the video, you’ll see I’m on my phone. I have one on my phone that I used to do when I was doing a lot with photography and see, it’s been so long, it’s not even on my phone anymore, guys. If I, if I remember what the app was because I had one that you could put your top three in and it would be free.
And then if you wanted to pay some really nominal amount, I mean, it was a, it was a couple dollars for like the year. It would give you up to 10 or 15 maybe. But like I would just look and see how I ranked locally for all of the keywords that I wanted. Like Louisville, Colorado, newborn photographer, Boulder family photographer, like I had all of them there so that I could see how I was doing.
And that was when I knew, I’m like, Hey, I’m on page one for most of these. This is awesome. And of course I don’t rank that high anymore cuz I haven’t blogged in quite some time. Uh, the other thing you can do guys, is
Colie: You know? Well, I’ll tell you that all day long. All right, Samantha.
If people wanna learn more about your services, because they either have a Squarespace website or they are interested in getting one, where can they find you on the
Samantha: I, my website is Lemonandthesea.com and I’m on Instagram at Lemon and the Sea, and I’m starting to hang out a little bit more on LinkedIn at Samantha Mabe
Colie: Awesome. I mean, you know, we’re all trying to get that LinkedIn. Someone asked me the other day and I’m like, yeah, I’m there and I’m currently just repurposing, but I should probably get a little bit more serious cuz hey, it’s kind of like SEO guys. The more work you put into your LinkedIn profile, the more likely it is that people that are interested in the services that you offer are going to find you.
It’s all about the
Colie: Samantha, thank you for coming on my, on my podcast again. I
Samantha: Thank you.
Colie: All right, everybody. That’s it for this episode. See you next time.